SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_01 3:28

Well, I think that's important, right? Because from the guy's perspective, from from what where you were sitting in that relationship, you didn't know why she was asking you that. It was hard to kind of figure out that, oh, because I haven't been around, she's had the time and the space to let her mind just run wild with possibility. And most of those possibilities were terrible, awful, horrible things that have caused her to worry a whole bunch, and now she's got to check in. Um, and it's it's really so funny. I didn't know you were gonna share this story to start this podcast, but literally last night on one of our mastermind sessions, I had one of our clients describe something just like this, except for from the female perspective. He said he had a major project at work in the next two weeks, and he he said he was gonna be really busy and just wouldn't be able to communicate as much. But he's not communicating now. What should I do? And she's like, I'm wondering, like, is he really doing this? Is he really doing that? Like, no, well, you know, has everything else been fine? And there were, there was really, you know, from an objective outside perspective, really not much to worry about, but her overthinking just was kind of getting the best of her. And she took something that was really benign and just conjured up these images and thoughts and possibilities and and made it seem really, really bad in her head.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

The human brain is a fascinating thing, isn't it? It can just it like builds on itself. It's like, oh, everything's good. He texted me, and then I didn't hear from him for three hours. Oh, everything must be bad. Well, what could he be doing if he's traveling? Well, he could be doing this, and oh my god, he's doing this. And and then before you know it, you're like, this man is wrong for me. He's pulling away, it's distant, it is over. And it's like, it's been it's been five hours. And I just want to say, like, women aren't the only people of gender that do this, men very much so do this as well. I have done this a number of times in my life where your brain just gets ahead of you in many areas of our life. So this is not just a women versus men thing. Every everyone does this, but of course, our audience is 99.9% female, so that's why we're addressing it here. So let's dive into it.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

You know, pulling away. I mean, I think the cases we just described were cases where it seemed like somebody was pulling away, but they they really weren't. Um, but the you know, in any relationship, there is going to be time periods where your partner legitimately does pull away. Um, and I think the most common one is the situation where you've been dating for a few months, everything's great, everything's actually amazing. Amazing start. You've defined the relationship, you guys are exclusive, and you feel like, yes, this is it. I've arrived. This is the relationship I've always wanted, and this is what I'm looking for. You're exactly where you want to be. And then all of a sudden, seemingly out of nowhere, his behaviors start to change. Yes, it does. Things settle down, it's not as exciting, he's not attentive, and you're like, uh-oh, he's pulling away. And in your head, all you can hear is danger, danger, danger. This is a big deal. What am I going to do? Um, and all of a sudden you went from not worrying about anything to spinning out and doing the overthinking, over worrying thing. And uh we're here to talk about today. Yeah, he's changed. And we're you know, we're we're gonna talk about is this is this typical, is this common, how to deal with it? Um, because there is a very, there's a couple of really easy solutions to deal with this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Well, and I think especially when you get to what we call little love step number six, that means you're in exclusive, committed relationship, but it's new. This is the moment where if you've been dating a lot over the past few months or past year or even longer, it can suddenly feel like you're going from 100 miles an hour to five miles an hour once you're in an exclusive relationship. Because now all the focus is just on each other. You're not getting the dopamine hits from the dating apps, you're not getting all this attention from multiple different guys, it's just him. And so it's very, very easy to get to this stage and be like, oh my God, this isn't enough. This isn't enough for me. And also to just compound this, when men get to little love step number six, they tend to get back to focusing on connecting with old friends. They start focusing on work again, which can be a very good thing because he's like, I'm in a relationship now. Things might get serious here. Like, I need to buckle down, I need to be able to provide. And so all of these things can just lead us, especially at little love step number six, to just be like, the world is crumbling down, everything is changing, this is wrong for me. And then we run away.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Yeah. I think it's important to look at this through the guy's eyes, in the sense that a lot of guys kind of deal with things in their life in terms of what's on the most on fire. Like what are the things I have to worry about the most? And where the things I have to worry about the most, I'm gonna spend a lot of time and attention on. I'm gonna prioritize those things. But then the things that aren't on fire, the things are just, you know, kind of cruising along, I can dial back. I don't have to be as attentive. And so a lot of times that pulling away that you're sensing, particularly after things have been going so well, and you're like, oh crap, he's pulling away. He's running, he's running, he's running. No, no, it's actually a compliment, it's a sign of stability and certainty in the relationship where he's like, I don't have to worry about this as much. And so now I can turn my attention to the other things that I actually had not been paying nearly enough attention to over the past couple months. And so it's it's a shifting of priorities, a subtle shifting of priorities, which actually is a complement to your current relationship situation.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Exactly. So when this happens, and the scenario that we're describing is very important because sometimes people do pull away and then it's a sign of the end of a relationship. I don't want to confuse you, but we presented it this way with this type of a scenario because typically, in this scenario, it's actually not a major concern. And so there's a number of mistakes that we've seen over the years that people make when they get to this phase. So why don't we jump into the first one? Gary, do you want to lead us off?

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, I think, you know, just to put this in context, the biggest problem that the overthinkers and overwarriers make is they're just not able to stay in the present, right? And so all these mistakes kind of center around that theme of not being able to stay presently focused. And so the first mistake is allowing the future to ruin the present. And so this is what I call the world's worst relationship game. It's the game of what if, right? So you play the what if game. What if this is the beginning of the end? What if he realizes this is a mistake? What if he's falling out of love? What if he met somebody else? What if he's having regrets? What if he's having second thoughts? Oh my gosh, isn't that fun? Isn't it fun to just sit and play the what if game and just conjure up all these things? Because you're smart, you're creative, you can think of a lot of things. You've seen reality TV, you've seen a full uh, you know, Hallmark, there's all kinds of bad information out there of like worry about this, worry, worry, worry, worry. And like so you can come up with some stuff when you're playing the what if game.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

And I feel like, especially when we have a good thing, like when things are going really well, that's when what ifs come in really strong, especially. Like when everything is falling apart, you're not even thinking about the future, just like whatever. Like, there's no what ifs. It's when you're like, oh, things are clicking. And this could be in any area of your life. Then you start to think, well, what could go wrong? What could ruin this? And and then you start to think about a million different things. I know I go through this all the time. I'm I'm an ultimate, like what-ifer. Gary, you probably know this, and I'm it's one of those things you have to just be like, no, just stay in the present, enjoy this moment, and realize that humans are not very good at predicting the future. You can't predict the future. So the best thing you got is the present and enjoying it when and understanding that there's always going to be ebbs and flows in life, and that's okay. And deal with it when it comes. Are you ready to dive deep into the male mind and understand why it is we do what we actually do? Well, if so, I have a free training that's going to really help you understand men, get out there, and attract a high-value guy that meets your needs. If you're ready for that, head on over to thelovesteps.com. We have a virtual training there. It's going to walk you through this exact process that's worked for over 10,000 women worldwide. Again, head on over to thelovesteps.com and uh yeah, check it out. We'll get back to the podcast now.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Yeah, I mean, I think what key is don't be so suspicious of success. Yeah. Right? It's like you've done the work, you're, you're, you know what you're doing. This is intentional. You're following a process, you're you're going through, you know, maybe you've been coached or not, but like you know what you're doing. So when you get success, of course you had success. You followed a good, smart, reliable process. And so just trust that success. Um, and I think the point you just made about us not being very good at predicting the future, I'd like to underline that. We're horrible at it. And we the the the problem is we think we're good at it. We don't know what we're gonna do in a month. Like if everyone listening to this thinks, think back a year ago. Okay, a year ago, could you have predicted where you're at in your life right now? And in many cases, you cannot. Yet today, and we sort of peer off into the future a year, we feel pretty good about some of the guesses we're making. And we have no right to feel so good about those guesses because we really just don't know. Um, and a lot of the what if game, it's all about bad things, and frankly, most of those things just can't possibly happen, right? And so you're just you're overdoing it. And so the key strategy here is harness what what have been your powers for over worrying? Harness those powers for good and start thinking of creative reasons why things could go right. So I I call this seeing, you know, just simply seeing both sides instead of saying, you know, is this the beginning of the end? How is this the beginning of our real future together? Like, is this a new reality? Ask yourself, what if nothing is wrong? Ask yourself, what if I'm overreacting? What if I'm missing some other explanation? Use your creativity for good. What are all of the things that could go right? So if you want to think he's pulling away, what why is this a bad thing? Okay, come up with a couple reasons, fine. Now you must come up with as many good reasons.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

What if he's focusing on his work because he sees such a strong future between the two of us and he's saving up for a ring? Right. What if he is connecting with old friends because he can't wait for you to meet them? What ifs you can always reframe a what if in your favor, and the reality is the point is you can't tell the future, so you might as well be optimistic about it. You know, if you're pessimistic about everything, then you're actually gonna get. I think there's a saying I heard this the other day, I might butcher it a little bit. But if you're a pessimistic person, you're gonna be hurt twice. One is when you're pessimistic about it, twice when the negative things happen. If you're an optimistic person, you only get hurt once because you're optimistic about everything. And then if it falls to crap, then okay, you get hurt once. My butchering that have you heard that before?

SPEAKER_01 15:07

No, that was I I actually had the exact same thought, and I was almost gonna say, I'm like, I don't there is a more precise wording of it, but what you described is exactly what I was gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

You're saying I'm not being concise, Gary?

SPEAKER_01 15:17

No, no, no, I'm saying I was going to say myself, like, there is a better way to word this, but essentially, when you're pessimistic, you get hurt twice because you're you're bummed out the first time, and then things happen, you know, exactly what you said.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Definitely done, Adam is what I'm saying. I'm just giving me a hard time, Gary. Come on, we got to spend all weekend together. Gary and I had a lot of man time together, it was really fun. Surrounded by a lot of women. We had an event this past weekend. So I don't know about you, but spending an entire weekend with women, when I left, I'm like, I need to go do something manly. I don't know what it is. Like, I need to go chop wood. I live in the city, so I can't do that, but I need to go do something that just gets me back into the masculine.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

It's really funny. It's it's so funny that you said that because as I drove home from Boston, so five hours in the car, I came in unpacked, and I said to my wife, I said, I'm taking the dog for a walk for a hike. We went hiking, and like, no offense, but just him and me.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yeah, yeah, like it's so funny. I got home and Jess just wanted to talk about it, and like she wanted to connect because we haven't really hung out all week. And I'm like, Jess, I don't have time, I don't have the emotional capacity for this. I need to like so she might be like, Well, he's pulling away. I'm like, no, it's not you, Jess. It's me. I'm emotionally drained. Oh my gosh. All right, that's too funny. It's too funny. All right. Mistake number two when he's pulling away is allowing the past to ruin the present. This is allowing this is conjuring up all those past scenarios when perhaps a guy was pulling away and it ended, or those bad experiences that you've had with dating, those awful, awful breakups. And it's really easy for bad experiences to infect your current relationship. My past boyfriend, he did X, Y, and Z and he said he had to work a lot, and really he was sleeping with his admin assistant. Um, I knew it was a sign of trouble. You're like, you're thinking back to this moment. I knew it at the time, but I didn't do anything about it. The reality is, in a new relationship, as hard as this is to do, we need to be incredibly intentional about not letting our current partner have to fight the battles of the previous person. Like, don't let your current partner have to be the one who's fighting all these battles, all these experiences of your previous bad relationship. It's really, really important. I always like to say your past just doesn't equal your future. It doesn't. And you got to allow yourself to take that step back and realize that this is a new human being that's in front of you, and you're gonna have new experiences together. Some are gonna be positive, some are gonna be negative, but let's go into it with a clean slate.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah, I mean, this goes back to the original larger point, is what's important is right now, the partner you have now, who you have because the other partner didn't work out. And so, this new partner, you've probably learned some things from that previous relationship that that's why you pick this new person. And so give that give them and give yourself a little bit of credit. I'd also say, you know, once you know that the person you're with, you know, you you've kind of done everything you can to de-escalate the risk, like you know who they are, you spent a lot of time together, there comes a point where they just deserve the benefit of the doubt. A little trust. Um, because again, we don't want to overworry about things, but I think, you know, if the past to counteract this idea of the past ruining the present, the strategy here is just realizing your past doesn't equal your future. We do evolve, we do change, particularly if we're thinking strategically and thoughtfully and intentionally about our relationships. Um, I also think it's really important to point out that too much focus on your past relationships and your ex and hating on your ex is just another subtle way of holding on to them. Whereas if they're really not important, we just we just let them go. Like, like don't hold on to the hurt. Feel it, examine it, understand it, learn from it, all those things, but then let it go.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Just let it go. Let it go. And when it comes to X's, I know we didn't have this in our notes, but I think it's worth mentioning is that there's this well-known psychological bias known as hindsight bias. Right, Gary? When we look back in scenarios in our life, and we like in that example of he had to work a lot, but he was actually sleeping with his admin. You might think that you knew it all along, but that's actually really leaning into this bias that we think we that we all we all succumb to this. That it's like with hindsight, we think we knew it at the time, and you didn't. You really didn't. You know, you might have had suspicions and things like that, but in hindsight, it's really easy to look back and be like, oh yeah, I figured this out. And then you bring that bias to your current relationships. Gary, you're a resident psychologist. Am I explaining this correctly?

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah, it's you know, the hindsight bias, I the knew it, I knew it all along effect. Um, what I think is really important about this kind of way of thinking is it's it's another subtle way that we blame ourselves. Right. Right. And sometimes bad things happen and there was nothing we could do. And in that case, that example you just gave, you know, is it possible there were no signs? Yeah, it's entirely possible there were no signs, right? And if that's the case, don't try to blame yourself and say that you should have known, you should have seen, you should have, you, you, you, you. No, no. That person doing that isn't a you problem. That's them. They were the bad actor in that situation. And you weren't. And so sometimes that's just how it is, and sometimes that's how it goes. And we don't always have to look for ways to put more responsibility on ourselves. Um, and that's something, you know, quite frankly, we tend to do is kind of overclaim responsibility when other people do bad things to us. Sometimes it's really just as simple as they're not a great person, they did something terrible, you just happen to be the one that they did it to.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah. And if we allow ourselves to constantly succumb to hindsight bias, then suddenly in new relationships, we're gonna be looking for every little tiny sign that we thought we overlooked in the last one for this new situation, and it might be totally unwarranted. So just these the biases are something that are fascinating to me because it just shows how flawed the human brain is. We all are guilty of bias, but if you can notice them as you're dating, and there's a number of different ones, I believe we've discussed them on other podcasts, then suddenly it empowers you to be like, oh, that way of thinking. Actually, might not be in tune with reality. And that's good. Sets you up for success. So, Gary, why don't you you uh lead us off with the final mistake?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Awesome. I love this one. So, mistake number three is the feeling that I have to do something. You feel them pulling away, you feel a little bit of distance. It's kind of what you you let off with your story that you know, she started texting, like, what's wrong? What's wrong? Like, I have to do something. And I like this one because this is literally the default solution that really doesn't actually help. It's really not a solution. And so what happens is when people start feeling things slip, right? They start feeling somebody pull away. There's two main reactions they have. The first one is chase, the other one is run away. And so chasing is he's pulling away, and you see him going, and you just have this impulse. I need to get him back, bring him back, come on, bring him back into my life, they come back, like and so you go after him, right? You go after him, and you're almost trying to force some closeness. And so this doesn't work for the most obvious reason of all. Is if you've ever tried to chase a kid, right? Or a dog who got loose, they'll be just standing there. And as soon as you start chasing after them, what do they always do? They run. Yeah, they run. They run, right? All of a sudden, like they're standing there, you know, your dog gets out, and you stand there, and you're like, hey man, come back. Just stands there, and like then you start going near them. Every step you take near him. I would I had a dog when I was a kid that did this all the time. You take a step, he takes a step away, and then you start running after him, he's a lot faster, he takes off now. And so when you chase after something, that thing for whatever tends to run away. And so the exact same thing happens in relationships, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Yeah, I was just gonna say, like allowing space to exist in a relationship, like you stay in the same place, allowing that space to exist, it's a superpower. Yeah, and by allowing that space to exist at certain like relationships, there's always gonna be ebbs and flows. There's always gonna be times where there's a little bit more distance, a little bit more space than other times. And someone who talks a lot about this is Esther Perrell. She talks about you know, healthy relationships are where you miss each other a little bit, allowing for healthy space to exist. Like that is where the spice of that's how you build the spark. Like it's a great thing. It's one of those things, like in the opening story. If I hadn't heard from her all week and I was traveling a lot, I would come back missing the heck out of her because that space existed. And then it would come back even stronger. And so rather than her running away or her chasing, she just stayed as is, then guess what? That's gonna deepen the connection, deepen the emotional bond, deepen the attraction, deepen that spark. And it's a wonderful thing, it's great.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Yeah, and I think you know, chasing is obviously a problem. I do think there is that other way that people go, which is I'm not gonna chase after him as he's pulling away, but now that I see him pulling away, I'm gonna start putting up those walls and I'm essentially gonna run away. Right? I'm gonna just start pulling back myself. So now you have he's feels like he's pulling away, you pull away, and you're just making what isn't really a problem. Now you are making a problem because now you're pulling away for seemingly no reason, just as a defensive mechanism, which just isn't productive. And so, you know, as you alluded to, the strategy here really is don't chase, don't run away. And it in some ways is the hardest thing to do, is just stay still. Stay still, like don't freak out, don't worry so much, don't overthink it. I like to say to clients all the time, be where your feet are, just be right here, be where your feet are. Just go do something else, and ideally, something else that gives you just a bigger picture perspective. I'm a huge fan of going hiking, a walk in nature. It could be as simple as you know, staring up at the stars, some just something awe-inspiring, if if at all possible, just to kind of give yourself a little bit of perspective about is he really wrong? Like, you know, you're never really sure. Stay still, stay still.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

And hang out with friends. Be social, hang out with friends, and please, dear God, don't tell your friends about the scenario and be like, oh, this guy's starting to pull away. Because guess what they're gonna say? You deserve better. You you shouldn't be with this guy, you should be dating other people. They're gonna encourage you to run away, right? That's what that's what a good girlfriend does in that scenario. And I understand it's good-hearted advice that can lead to bad outcomes. Now, sometimes the advice is to run away, but girlfriends always default to he's not worthy of you, he doesn't deserve you, he's not leaning in, goodbye. And they don't necessarily take into account the nuance of the situation. They don't know, they don't know everything that we're talking about today. So I think it's worth mentioning. Gary, how many times have we had clients come on? They're like, Well, I talked to my girlfriend this past weekend, she said, and we're like, your divorce, your girlfriend has been divorced three times and is still single for the past 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

That one ironically, those girlfriends are making mistake number two. They're allowing the past to ruin the present, right? Right. They're all just they're going by their past, bad experiences. And are there bad, terrible guys? Yes, absolutely. And so the friends, it's well intentioned, it's slightly misinformed. Um, but I think here's here's the key, and something we say a lot in a lot of different contexts about relationships. Instead of jumping to conclusions, be curious. Yeah, he's pulling away, you're wondering why, you're coming up with all these reasons, and that's it, you know, with the what-if game and all that stuff. Instead of doing all that, the next time you're together, have a conversation about it. This is what relationships are about. Every relationship problem starts with the same solution: communication. Have a talk. What's going on? How is work? You know, I know, you know, and just kind of get in, get into that conversation. And I would just one last thing. Anyone that's ever been a manager or has had any responsibility in any kind of job, when you're kind of you're tasked with dealing with problems, what you learn in those positions is some problems need immediate action, and a lot of problems do not. Like you don't want to overreact to problems and just launch into I'm gonna save the world mode, because some things it's just a matter of don't answer that email right away. Give that give that one a couple of hours. Some things will resolve themselves. Um, you just you don't want to be reactive to things, and staying still gives you the benefit of gathering more information. And a lot of times when we're unsure about what's going on, all we really need is more information to make a better decision.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

And just drafting off this idea of management, a lot of times professionally, when someone is struggling, usually it has to do with something going on in their personal lives. Usually something's going on. So rather than jumping down their throat, be like, you didn't do this TPS report or whatever it is, how could you miss this? The next time you see them, just be like, How's everything going? Like, how's your trip? How's time with your family? Is everything going well? You've been sleeping well, eating well, you've been sticking to your goals? All is that good? And usually it's something going on there. And I think the same, the reason why I'm saying that is I think the same thing applies with this. It's like, if the next time I saw that woman and we were sitting across from each other, she's like, How was it? I'm like, it was great, it was exhausting. I didn't even have a second. Um I missed you. Like, I I just I haven't even had a moment to get she doesn't even have to talk about the relationship. She just asked about me, how I'm doing. She'll get all the information in the world and feel totally comfortable in the situation. And so I think all of those are really worth thinking about when you're in that moment of the pull away panic and to just not just run right in or run right away. Stay, stay, stay, stay, and stay curious. So good stuff, Gary. That was fun. Thanks, Adam. So now you've reached the end of the podcast. Thank you so much for being here. And because you have proven that you are serious about attracting love, you wouldn't be listening to this podcast if you didn't feel that way. What I'd love for you to do is go to love.com where you can apply for a complimentary love strategy session where a professional love strategist on my team is going to speak with you directly and be able to see whether or not our executive love coaching programs can be transformational for you in your love life. There's absolutely no fee whatsoever. All you gotta do is head on over to loveapply.com, schedule that session, and you could be speaking with someone on my team over the next couple days. All right. Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Bye bye.